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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:19 pm


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:58 pm


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I was wondering, does anyone have any advice for learning transitive and intransitive verbs? Or is it just a matter of memorising them all individually?

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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:19 pm


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Darn, that's the reason why I didn't choose linguistics for my ronbun while in univ...hehe.
Well, actually imo you have to memorized them individually, it's a must, cause you might get misunderstand few of the verbs with the potential form (kanoukei)--(I used to....) ..
Here's few list of the in/transitive verbs here. Hope it helps!..v^_^


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:27 pm


KappaAlphaIota

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^ Yeah i was afraid you would say that haha.
The similarity with the potential forms of verbs just makes it even more confusing, but i guess i better get used to it, I'm moving to Japan to study Japanese on Thursday haha.
Thanks a lot for the list by the way, it's longer than i hoped it would be but it should be useful.
Thanks again

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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:26 am


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Hello!

I'm learning Japanese, now!!!!!

Well, can anyone translate this for me, please Please :-


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:09 pm


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I can't read the whole kanji, sorry


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:40 am


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Future is freedom and I'm free to wear my favorite clothes
Get into the ideal oblique line
Design myself, and whenever I try to step forward with all of my strength,
Somehow I feel carefree and have the courage,
*Smile*I want to love today's 'me'..

I'm unmotivatedly negative, and whenever I seems to became defeated,
I'll confirm again one at a time where my heart stands,

Yesterday was full of weak awareness,
And while I'm unaware, I already get over it,
There'll be lots of it, don't give up, you don't want to quit, right?



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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:02 am


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@jigoku79 : Arigatou!!! Tears of Joy What can I do for you??? Dies

Um, can you give me the romanji too?

Thanks, sorry if I'm troubling you.


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:28 pm


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koolkat96 wrote:@jigoku79 : Arigatou!!! What can I do for you???
Gimme money, please ... ..~jk~

romaji:
mirai wa jiyuu jizai ichiban sukina fuku wo kite
naname sen no risou e
jibun wo desain shite omoikkiri fumidashite mitara
nandaka migaru nanda komiagete kuru yuuki
nikoniko*kyou no jibun aishitai ne

shoukyokuteki negatibu makesouni nattara
kokoro tachi ichi hitotsu zutsu mata kakunin

nigate ishiki darake no senjitsu
shiranai uchi ni norikoete ita koto
takusan aru yo akiramenaide yametakunai desho?


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:09 pm


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Hi everyone,

I would know how do you form the "must" form of a verb like "I must go" or "I must eat" ?
I spoke briefly with my Japanese teacher and for exemple with "行く" he said me its "行かなければならない" so i concluded to form one you tanke the plain past neg form "行かない" and you just add "ければならない"
Am I right if with " 食べる" it results in "食べなければならない" ?

He also said me that "ければ" is for "must" and "ならない" for "to become", is it correct ?


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:38 pm


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@babaloued
Hmm, I'll try to help a bit.
'Must' form consist of two part: ~なければ(nakereba) + ならない/なりません(naranai/narimasen).
1. ~なければ(nakereba) means: if (you) don't ..
example: 行かなければ (ikanakereba) -> if (you) don't go, 読まなければ (yomanakereba) -> if (you) don't read.
2. ならない/なりません(naranai/narimasen) means : won't happen/become.

Literally/logically, for me, 'must' form goes like this..
example:
1. 行かなければ ならない/なりません: (If you don't go, it won't happen) (So), you must go..
2. 食べなければ ならない/なりません*: (If you don't eat, it won't happen) (So), you must eat..
Sorry, I kinda bad on explaining things. But I hope this would help you..

P.S:
..~なければ is a negative form of 'if'. The past negative form of 'if' is ~なかったら (nakattara).
(Yup, you're right! )*negative form for verbs ends with ~eru such as taberu is tabenai. So, it becomes tabenakereba naranai/narimasen.


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:24 pm


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Wow !! complicated but thank you! Now i understand


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:12 am


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Lets see...

Hajimemashite. Watashi wa Counterclock desu. Yoroshiku Onegaishimasu!

Did I get that right?

BTW! I think spanish speakers have a certain advantage learning japanese on the speech level since the pronunciations are similar for most if not all words.

Learning those damn symbols is gonna suck though.


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:22 am


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This is all so helpful! Arigato everyone!


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:16 am


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@Counterclock

I think you're right ! I also learn Japanese (but by myself, with websites who give "lessons" and tips). I can say some basics things but it's very interesting to learn a language.


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:39 pm


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jigoku79 wrote:
koolkat96 wrote:@jigoku79 : Arigatou!!! What can I do for you???
Gimme money, please ... ..~jk~

You want money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????? Scared Scared

How do I give that?

@topic - Japanese is little tough to learn!


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:01 pm


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koolkat96 wrote:You want money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????

How do I give that?
Hehe..as I said, ~jk~(just kidding).. Just click the thanks button, that would be enough..
Anyway, I'm glad I could help other SH member with my limited knowledge of Japanese. I'm still learning though..
Well, keep on learning Japanese, guys! It's fun!..except for the kanji..

Counterclock wrote:Hajimemashite. Watashi wa Counterclock desu. Yoroshiku Onegaishimasu! Did I get that right?
Yup, you got it right! ( ^_^)v..

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To activate Japanese language on Windows 7:
Go to control panel, click on change display language, then click change keyboards, click add, search on japanese, and tick Microsoft IME. OK, then Apply.
Restart computer if Japanese language bar hasn't appeared yet.
Click on the language bar, change into Japanese and make sure input mode is Hiragana.
(or use (alt)+(~) key to activate/deactivate it)

To activate Japanese language on Windows XP:
First, prepare your Windows XP installation CD.
Go to control panel, click on Date, Time, Language, and Regional Options.
Then click Regional and Language Options, go to Languages bar and tick 'Install files for East Asian languages', click OK when a windows appear. Insert Windows XP CD then Apply.
Wait until copying process done. Restart PC.
Go to control panel, click on Date, Time, Language, and Regional Options.
Then click Regional and Language Options, go to Languages bar again.
Click on Details,then Add. Add input language: Japanese, keyboard layout: Microsoft IME Standard 2002 ver. 8.1, click OK, then Apply.
Click on the language bar, change into Japanese and make sure input mode is Hiragana.
(or use (alt)+(~) key to activate/deactivate it)



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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:06 am


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How about if we learn from the scratch, guys? Let's start from Hiragana. Check on the list of Hiragana below.
Hiragana:

basic Hiragana consist of 46 letters
あ(a) い(i) う(u) え(e) お(o)

か(ka) き(ki) く(ku) け(ke) こ(ko) 
さ(sa) し(shi) す(su) せ(se) そ(so)
た(ta) ち(chi) つ(tsu)て(te) と(to)

な(na) に(ni) ぬ(nu) ね(ne) の(no)
は(ha) ひ(hi) ふ(fu) へ(he) ほ(ho)
ま(ma) み(mi) む(mu) め(me) も(mo)
ら(ra) り(ri)る(ru)れ(re) ろ(ro)
や(ya) ゆ(yu) よ(yo) わ(wa) を(o)ん(n)
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letters that using 'maru' and 'ten-ten'
*
が(ga) ぎ(gi) ぐ(gu) げ(ge) ご(go)
ざ(za) じ(ji) ず(zu) ぜ(ze) ぞ(zo) だ(da) ぢ(ji) づ(zu) で(de) ど(do)
ば(ba) び(bi) ぶ(bu) べ(be) ぼ(bo) ぱ(pa) ぴ(pi) ぷ(pu) ぺ(pe) ぽ(po)

きゃ(kya) きゅ(kyu) きょ(kyo) ぎゃ(gya) ぎゅ(gyu)ぎょ(gyo)
びゃ(bya) びゅ(byu) びょ(byo) ぴゃ(pya) ぴゅ(pyu) ぴょ(pyo)
みゃ(mya) みゅ(myu) みょ(myo) にゃ(nya) にゅ(nyu) にょ(nyo)
りゃ(rya) りゅ(ryu) りょ(ryo)
ちゃ(cha) ちゅ(chu) ちょ(cho)
しゃ(sha) しゅ(shu) しょ(sho)
 じゃ(ja) じゅ(ju) じょ(jo)

additional:

..っか(..kka) ..っき(..kki) ..っく(..kku) ..っけ(..kke)..っこ(..kko)
..
っさ(..ssa) ..っし(..sshi) ..っす(..ssu) ..っせ(..sse) ..っそ(..sso)
..
った(..tta) ..っち(..tchi/cchi) ..っつ(..ttsu) ..って(..tte) ..っと(..tto)..
っぱ
(..ppa) ..っぴ(..ppi) ..っぷ(..ppu) ..っぺ(..ppe) ..っぽ(..ppo)




After learn and knowing Hiragana (hopefully you can memorize it too), then try to type/write below words in romaji into Hiragana.
Example: Shinkansen (bullet train) しんかんせん
Now, it's your turn. Go and try it.
Karappo (empty, hollow)
Ningyou
(doll, puppet)
Watashi
(I, me)
Anata (you)
Kare (he, him)
Kanojyo (she, her)
Donata
(who)
Byouin (hospital)
Gakkou (school)
Gakusei (student)
Gakki
(musical instrument)
Kappa (mythical-water dwelling creature)
Douzo
(please, kindly, by all means)
Nyuuin (hospitalize)

PS: check on my above post on how to activate Japanese language on XP/Win 7.

And if you like to learn the stroke order of hiragana, check in here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Table_hiragana.svg

*when maru (˚) used on japanese letters, it'll sound/pronounce as 'p~', and only used in ha, hi, fu, he, ho. while ten-ten ("), as you seen on above.



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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:36 pm


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omg that looks like more than 46!

That's quite hard!
Give me 2 weeks! LOL
Thanks a lot jigoku79!

I learn with the mindset of working and living in Japan someday~! haha


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:02 am


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Thank you for this. Very well explained. I will learn as soon as possible.


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:29 am


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Katakana:

basic Katakana consist of 46 letters
ア(a) イ(i) ウ(u) エ(e) オ(o)
カ(ka) キ(ki) ク(ku) ケ(ke) コ(ko)
サ(sa) シ(shi) ス(su) セ(se) ソ(so)
タ(ta) チ(chi) ツ(tsu)テ(te)ト(to)
ナ(na) 二(ni) ヌ(nu) ネ(ne) ノ(no)
ハ(ha) ヒ(hi) フ(fu) ヘ(he) ホ(ho)
マ(ma) ミ(mi) ム(mu) メ(me) モ(mo)
ラ(ra) リ(ri)ル(ru)レ(re) ロ(ro)
ヤ(ya) ユ(yu) ヨ(yo) ワ(wa) ヲ(o)ン(n)
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ヴァ(va) ヴィ(vi)ヴ(vu)ヴェ(ve) ヴォ(vo)

letters that using 'maru' and 'ten-ten'*
ガ(ga) ギ(gi) グ(gu) ゲ(ge) ゴ(go)
ザ(za) ジ(ji) ズ(zu) ゼ(ze) ゾ(zo) ダ(da) ヂ(ji) ヅ(zu) デ(de) ド(do)
バ(ba) ビ(bi) ブ(bu) ベ(be) ボ(bo) パ(pa) ピ(pi) プ(pu) ペ(pe) ポ(po)

キャ(kya) キュ(kyu) キョ(kyo) ギャ(gya) ギュ(gyu)ギョ(gyo)
ビャ(bya) ビュ(byu) ビョ(byo) ピャ(pya) ピュ(pyu) ピョ(pyo)
ミャ(mya) ミュ(myu) ミョ(myo) ニャ(nya) ニュ(nyu) ニョ(nyo)
リャ(rya) リュ(ryu) リョ(ryo) チャ(cha) チュ(chu) チョ(cho)
シャ(sha) シュ(shu) ショ(sho) ジャ(ja) ジュ(ju) ジョ(jo)

additional:
..ッカ(..kka) ..ッキ(..kki) ..ック(..kku) ..ッケ(..kke)..ッコ(..kko)
..ッサ(..ssa) ..ッシ(..sshi) ..ッス(..ssu) ..ッセ(..sse) ..ッソ(..sso)
..ッタ(..tta) ..ッチ(..tchi/cchi) ..ッツ(..ttsu)..ッテ(..tte) ..ット(..tto)..
ッパ(..ppa) ..ッピ(..ppi) ..ップ(..ppu) ..ッペ(..ppe) ..ッポ(..ppo)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Table_katakana.svg

After you're able to write/type from romaji into hiragana/katakana, let's do the opposite.
Try to write down the romaji of below words.
ともみおがわライブリーはサルぎゅうどんがっきドラムまみささざきはるなおのりなずすききゅうにフェスほっぺたしゅんかんりゆうえいすけたすけるおおさかしゅじゅつ

Let's go to the next step, the basic pattern of Japanese that Tofu mentioned earlier on the beginning of this thread.
(wa)~です(desu)。 Combination of ~wa and ~desu works like to be (am, is, are).
And when used as particle, it pronounced as 'wa' not 'ha'.

Example:
わたしじごくです。わたしハンサムです。Watashi wa Jigoku desu.Watashi wa hansamu desu.
I am Jigoku.I am handsome.
Or when someone ask your name, you could just reply like below.
ジョンです。John desu. I am John.

Now, let's check out below conversation:
こんにち。わたしはやしです。Konnichiwa. Watashi wa Hayashi desu.
Hello, good day. I am Hayashi.
にほんじんです。わたしにほんごのせんせいです。Nihonjin desu.Watashi wa Nihongo no sensei desu.
I am Japanese. I am a Japanese teacher.
どうぞよろしく。Douzo yoroshiku.
Pleased to meet you.
リオ:はじめまして、わたしリオです。Hajimemashite. Watashi wa Rio desu.
Rio: Nice to meet you. I am Rio.
はやし:あなたにほんじんですか。Anata wa Nihonjin desuka.
Hayashi: Are you Japanese?
リオ:いいえ、わたしにほんじんではありません。Iie, watashi wa Nihonjin dewa arimasen.
Rio: No, I am not Japanese.
わたしインドネシアじんです。Watashi wa Indonesiajin desu.
I am Indonesian.

As you seen on above, there's two words that derives from です, ですかand ではありません.
ですかused for interrogative sentence and ではありません is used for negative sentence.

note: Katakana is used for non-Japanese name in written language.
And 'あたし'(atashi) commonly used as 'I' for female speaker, but they might/can/often use 'わたし' too.
Mami often use 'ぼく'(boku) which is the same as 'I' but commonly used by male speaker.
Spoiler:

じごく:まみーさん、あいしてるよ。
まみ:いいえ、ぼくきみあいしてませんよ。
じごく:


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:03 am


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Thanks for sharing, look very hard Stars
Maybe I will start to learn write katakana with this katana parts


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:16 am


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Spoiler:
じごく:まみーさん、あいしてるよ。
まみ:いいえ、ぼくはきみにあいしてませんよ。
じごく: Onion XDCry

In the second sentence, it is not が instead of に after きみ?

Spoiler:
もちろん、まみーさんはわたしにあいしてますよ Hohoho Onion



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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:45 am


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Well, you have to use hiragana to write down those katana parts. Katakana used for words that derives from foreign language other than Japanese. And yeah, you can start to practice using that!

babaloued wrote:
In the second sentence, it is not が instead of に after きみ?
If you use 'すき' (suki) when you're confessing to someone, the particle used is 'が' (ga) .
But in this case, I use 'あいしてる'(aishiteru) instead of 'すき', and the particle used is 'に' (ni), instead of 'が'(ga). See the sentences below:

ぼくまみーさんすき。Boku wa Mami-san ga suki.
I love Mami-san.
ぼくまみーさんあいしてる。Boku wa Mami-san ni aishiteru.
I am fall in love with/to Mami-san.


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Re: Lets Learn Japanese
Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:58 am


babaloued

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International Performer
^^Oh I see. Sometimes, particules make me crazy ...


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 SCANDAL live 
 
2012.07.16 - バンドやろうよ!vol.3
2012.08.21 - Canal City Hakata
2014.06.28/29 - ARENA FESTIVAL DAY 1&2

2014.08.05 - RIJF 2014
2015.04.25/26/30 - HW TOUR 2015
2015.10.21 - TIMM
2016.09.10/17/20/21/24/25 - YELLOW in EUROPE 2016
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