Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:41 pm


DUL7

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Interesting views and ideas guys. ^^ I think "manufactured" isn't necessarily a bad thing for bands. It doesn't matter if the band members formed themselves or was a project of someone like a producer. In the end it's still how successful they are. I'm not saying it's all about the money because being successful means the band can stay longer and leave their mark.

Now the topic says SCANDAL Becoming "too manufactured". I think being too manufactured being a bad thing depends on how they are being "manufactured". If EPIC pushes SCANDAL to the right direction, I don't think it would necessarily be a bad thing.

Now the question if they are already too manufactured is hard to answer. Just like some have said here, it's most likely that SCANDAL was from the start a project of somebody. It could be the company that manages them now or SONY themselves. And now that they are signed to EPIC/SONY, many of SCANDAL's actions regarding their career are suggested by their label. We can't really tell how much say EPIC has on the band as much as we can't tell how much SCANDAL has on themselves. It could be that the girls suggested these changes or welcomed them as suggested by their label. But I think it's highly unlikely that the girls are just following what their label says without questioning them or altering the suggestions slightly.

In the end, imho the most important thing is that they still produce great music and they still have that thing that makes them SCANDAL. By "they" I mean the four girls, their managing company and their label. Happy And by "thing", I mean SCANDAL's ability to always take us by surprise on what would they do next. ^^


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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:16 am


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@Spacadet: You said some very interesting things and I agree with some of it. However, let's say you're right about how heavy S*X Pistols were manufactured (even if I doubt it's as hard as you think ), they still are not manufactured in the same way as something like AKB48.

And again let's run with the idea that they were very heavy manufactured. They were all (the band) still huge fans of the music they played and I'm pretty sure, the ideals behind them. First of they did something new and intense (even if manufactured). They tried to create a new and original image. They didn't just change into punkrock and all the disaster they caused in the name of it because it was something mainstream at the time. Like POP with AKB48 and mabye even SCANDAL. Now, AKB48 for instance is doing something pretty new, therin the fame and success for them too. But they are comepletely manufactured. There was nothing that were "real" about them from the start. They were given birth with the intent to make money. Granted, I think something pretty fascinating has come of it and I really feel for the girls and the hard work they put in to get where they are now. But when they started most couldn't even sing nor dance. Many members I've heard in interviews explains their joining in AKB48 as a "rebirth". They were completely re-shaped to be a part of the band.

Just imagine if someone would have made S*X Pistols into whatever was more popular in the 70s, like pop-ish. It would not have worked.

I'm ranting on, but ultimately what I'm trying to say is this: There are different types of manufactured bands. Some try to stand out amongst others and create something new while others will just do it for the money with what's "mainstream". I don't think you can write of manufactured as being all well and dandy, but I agree it can be good.

I personally like SCANDALs more rock-ish work. The pop stuff is very good too. I think they also mix the two very well in some songs. However I do not know which one they prefer, cause like you said they have go on record saying they like alot of pop, but also some rock bands (like I know Tomomi like Red Hot Chili Peppers). Japans mainstream audience seems to be more geared towards pop/idolish stuff though so it would only be natural for (especially a greedy company like Sony) to try and squeeze as much as they can out of that. Here in Sweden though, if a band that had established an image suddenly up and changed it to follow suit with what was popular, they would definetly be called out on it and lose loads of fans.

I will stop this essay now, but I'll just say that I still think SCANDAL is SCANDAL. They have changed somewhat in their image but I feel it was a natural change and the music still feels like them.

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:26 pm


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@reachie I'm sorry, but I read @spacecadet post twice and didn't see him actually mention that. And they have the opportunity to chose. Like Mami, she already had experience in guitar and drums (she was in a small band before), but she chose guitar, maybe she like's it better. Tomomi, I know she chose bass because guitar was "harder", but ofc that's not the whole story, this is what she gives us, and we can say that she played what she wanted, eventually. Haruna, I'm sorry if I'm offending someone, but she has the face of a guitar player, since she would be singing, perhaps was better. Now, the only one that might have not had any choice was Rina, since she entered later on to the band, so Drums was all she had, even tough she never played anything besides the piano in her life, it was hard for her, but look at her now. =D


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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:43 pm


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wow! so many detailed opinions Nice One

let's see what scandal will become


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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:37 pm


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spacecadet wrote:I haven't read the entire thread but I get the gist of it. My 2 cents:

First, as someone who was actually in a pretty serious band for a while when I was a bit younger, I think you have to put aside what your idea of a band actually is if you're a particularly idealistic type. Once a band has a record deal, that band is never just 4 or 5 people making music and then other people just working for them to help promote that music. No, this is a business, and there's a lot of money involved and people's jobs on the line. They would never leave it up to those 4 or 5 people to determine who gets to eat and who's out of a job. That's true with any band, and in any part of the world. Every major decision is *at best* a collaborative effort, if not completely out of the band's hands. That said, I do not believe for a second that the girls ever do anything against their will. That includes all the costumes, fan service and whatever else.

So to that extent, *every* band you've actually heard of is "manufactured", at least when they're young and relying on money provided by others to finance various things. When I was younger I had a lot of idealistic friends who became very disillusioned when they started learning this, but it's just how it is.

Young bands are basically employees of the record label. That is even more true in Japan than elsewhere, from what I've seen, and with Japan's patriarchal society, it's still even more true of female bands. Not many female bands even write their own music, and Scandal doesn't either. They play what they are told to play.

As for how Scandal started out, there are always these concocted stories in Japan that nobody really believes. In Scandal's case, it's always been part of their image that they just formed organically. But you can kind of read between the lines and see that they proobably didn't. Supposedly their music teacher "suggested" to each one of them individually that they should form a band together. This despite the fact that none of them played instruments or had any real experience with music. I can almost guarantee that somebody from Sony (even back then) had the bright idea to go to a dance school and make a deal to find some cute girls with sexy moves that they could turn into an idol band. And if it worked, they'd sign them to Sony. And it worked. It was genius, really.

This is not to take anything away from Scandal - I love them! I love them individually and as a band. And I respect their playing skills. But I think you just have to realize that "Scandal" is more than just the four of them, and it always has been and always will be. They are just the public face of everything you know as Scandal.

In short, I think people just need to accept Scandal for what they are, rather than trying to imagine them as some sort of super-serious rock band. They didn't start out that way and they aren't that way now.

@Neyodemos
I underlinded and bolded the part I was referring to.
I wasn't saying that they don't have input or choice on anything they do.
I am just confused about this statment Onion huh?
Not really question what he says, just that little part, I overall agree a lot and find it very well written.


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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:41 pm


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Reachie wrote:You said, that they never played what they wanted to play,they just play what they are told to play? In the same time you said they probably don't do anything against their will. Doesn't this kind of contradict in a way?

I just find it hard to believe, that they have no say in what they want to play O_O

They have *very little* say, I'm sure. Their record label chooses all of their composers based on who they think can write music in the right style and who they think they can most effectively promote. And it's like anything else; as a band gets more popular, they start getting better and more popular composers writing for them. That's just the way it works in Japan. Typically the process is you have a band meeting with the band, producer and label execs, and that's where the band first hears the songs that have been composed for them, and everyone around the table talks about how they can turn it into a popular single. But it's not as if the band is typically given a choice in whether or not to play it, although they may have input in *how* they play it.

This is a well known system there; this wouldn't be a revelation to anyone. Artists and bands often speak of working for an "office" in public interviews. It's a system, like everything else in Japan. Japan is not an individualistic society and that goes for bands like any other job. No one person has absolute control, but the people with more experience and age would have more control than younger and less experienced people.

Now, does that mean if their office told them to strip naked and do some sort of "adult" video, that they would do it? No. That's what I mean when I say they don't do anything "against their will". They have the freedom as human beings to say "no" to anything. They're not slaves, and I respect them enough to think that they wouldn't do anything that they think would harm their image or degrade them. Everything they do, they know what they're doing.

The people in the office they're working for have a lot of experience in making musicians popular, and the girls are no doubt going to give a lot of deference to that. The girls are in their early 20's and have never been in a popular band before, but the people they're working for have helped make countless bands and solo artists popular over many years. So if their office says "we want you to do a single composed by the guy from Orange Range, and we are going to use that to promote the single", of course they are going to say "sounds great!" But it would actually be very unusual in Japan if this was actually the band's idea, and if they (meaning the four girls) set it up. No doubt it was their record label's idea, and they set it up. And that would be true for all major decisions, including their music videos too. So they probably didn't come up with the idea for the Taiyou Scandalous video or the skimpy outfits or any of that either, but they obviously agreed to do it because this is how they think they will become more popular.

I'm just saying, don't look at it in terms of absolutes. Being in a commercial band is a collaboration between the band and the record label, but the record label does almost all of the behind-the-scenes stuff and the band acts as the public face of it. But it's not an either/or thing, where a band is either totally free or they must be like AKB48. Most bands are in between the two extremes. And just because one person doesn't necessarily like everything about the latest thing a band has done doesn't suddenly mean it's all because the record label has wrested control from the band and they're now being forced to do things they don't want to do. It's more likely just because bands and music change, and everybody (including the girls themselves) wants them to be more mainstream and popular.

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:31 am


macdyne73

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What a great round of discussions this thread is turning out to be. Keep it coming ppl!

That's a good post by Mr Cadet as to some of the goings on behind the scene.

RE:- "Being told what to play". Ah. It does sound a little harsh at first but is actually not THAT bad. Sure the label has a lot of control and from what I read, perhaps some of us imagine a terse, older person telling the girls exactly what to play, who to work with, how to dress etc etc. I'm certain that this is not the case at all. This is what I meant when I said that EPIC does not own SCANDAL, at least not in the way SM Entertainment owns all those K-POP outfits.

The label has control sure, but within those limits the girls have a say in how to go about their business. I'm sure that's what they talk about when they go to the office (as all of those who read their blogs are aware of I'm sure) for meetings. If the girls and their people really disagree with something, I'm sure there will try to reach a compromise. I don't see anyone ramming anything down anyone's throat. I'm sure the people involved are all sensible about things. It's not in EPIC's favour to alienate and piss off their artist either.

Those same limits are what can stop SCANDAL from, let's say, marching into the office one day and saying that they want to stop playing pop rock and start being a death metal band. No way EPIC will agree to that. The label needs to protect their investment too and if the girls want to do something that can potentially negatively affect their commercial viability the label will need to do something to prevent that.

If let's say the girls REALLY, REALLY want to change direction or do something completely different from what they are doing now (like playing death metal), expect a very, very long and tense meeting that probably won't end well for either.

Being with a major label entails certain limits but also has many perks. Like Mr Cadet says, the label does many things in support of the girls, things that the girls would find very difficult/impossible to do if they had remained indie. A lot of promo activities require funding and this is where their label comes in. The label also provides support in other ways, whatever the band needs to get going. Their label's responsibility is to provide these. A major label also has a lot of reach and experience (and money!) when it comes to marketing and sales.

A major label can help A LOT so this is why many artists don't mind signing to a major despite the potential loss of creative control. Each deal is different, if an artist already has a large body of work before signing that the amount of control will probably be a lot less. Speaking of which, here's a flipside.

My brother is in a band and a few years ago they had an opportunity to sign with a label. Unfortunately, the contract they were about to sign took away a lot of creative control. At that time, the band had written and demo-ed many, many songs and my bro's band members could not agree to a clause that specified that the band must clear each song with the label's people. Neither could they agree on image. The label wanted a shiny happy pop outfit but the band wanted to continue down their present alternative rock/pop direction.

They tried to hammer out a compromise but in the end, they walked after the label's people gave them a take it or leave it ultimatum. Since then, they have remained steadfastly indie and have done everything by themselves, including recording, producing and printing two albums. And shooting videos, which caused all kinds of technical difficulties..

In this case, my brother wanted FULL control of their creative process therefore this was not subject to any kind of change. This was because during that time the band already had material and a definite idea of what they wanted to do. There was to be absolutely no "manufacturing" of any kind. Signing would have meant throwing out or redoing all their music and reinventing themselves and this he could not abide by.

If my bro didn't have all that material and was a bit less adamant about what to play they could've signed. If the band was "younger" they might have signed.

When SCANDAL signed, first with KITTY then with EPIC, the idea of SCANDAL (at least from a musical and conceptual point of view) hadn't really solidified yet. Therefore, this is an ongoing process and taking into account their youth and inexperience at the time, I'm sure the girls appreciated the input they get from their label people.

Can this "input" be considered "manufacturing"? For me, it depends on the amount of compromise the two parties put in. Less compromise, more "manufactured" and vice versa. Like Mr Cadet says, absolutes shouldn't apply here.

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:49 am


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spacecadet wrote:
yoshinator54 wrote:Bands basically start for a selfish reason: they want to make music for their own enjoyment and gather fans in the process.

Bands start for different reasons. In Scandal's case, these weren't girls who all played instruments and were really into heavy rock who all met and said "hey, let's have a band". They were in dance school, learning to be dancers, and somebody they were acquainted with through the school suggested they make a band. So, it was never entirely their idea right from the start. (Not surprisingly, this was almost right after the movie "Linda Linda Linda" came out - Google it!) So you have to look at what their motivations might have been for agreeing to do it. There is definitely a lot more to their backstory than what's been published officially - there almost always is, for Japanese bands especially.

yeah, I totally understand what you mean. Sorry if it sounded bad, but I'm not saying playing music selfishly is a bad thing, but if they weren't doing it for a selfish reason, they would probably not be enjoying what they do, and would probably have quit from the beginning or never started. I mean, in my case, I'm in a band and I want to play music. No one is forcing me or anything. I do it because I want to, which is pretty much a selfish reason. (being primarily concerned with one's own interest). I'm sure all bands and groups have different back stories, but if it weren't for their own selfishness, they wouldn't be doing what they are doing. Someone suggested that the 4 girls of Scandal should start a band, and they could have said no and continued dancing, but they decided to pursue the idea.

Also I watched Linda Linda Linda a few years ago when my dad brought it home. It was a great movie. I actually listened to the Blue Hearts way before I watched the movie.


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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:03 pm


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Wow...interesting....but I think that label actually help them to fulfill their dream for some reason so if their music direction change from garage rock to such a thing like yumeniru tsubasa,etc, just for the sake of scandal self.....they can perform in budokan,OJH,of course from the support of their label for making them song that more universal,gather tons of fans,they did various music style to proof their abilies (even that I like their garage rock more and they better stick with that lol) but the thing is...scandal has a dream (somebody create them) but I believe they later accept that way and has ambition themself,and epic record try to make it come true with their own ways...as long as the music is good I will keep listen to it

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:07 pm


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spacecade wrote:Young bands are basically employees of the record label.  That is even more true in Japan than elsewhere, from what I've seen, and with Japan's patriarchal society, it's still even more true of female bands.  Not many female bands even write their own music, and Scandal doesn't either.  They play what they are told to play.
Wait wait WTF! 


Scandal born when the teacher say the idea for a band and the girl follows thath way( in free spirit and with lot a initiative)

But suppose the true reality is Scandal started because someone got told to play, and the girl accept  Hmmm


In the second case, i'm not much "happy", rather feel sad and "restless" as if Tomo, Rina, Mami and Haruna  have me a dissapoint Nervous


I love the girl and belive in their, especially TOMI Wew

Sorry for my BAD english!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hoping their love for music never change

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:57 am


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In a way, every artist is manufactured. Whether it be by a lot or by a little, every artist does it from time to time. Every artist will be suggested things by their record label and may take those suggestions, but that's not always a bad thing. It's a record label's job to give suggestions to their artists. Labels want money from their artists and naturally, they're going to try and push their artists in a direction that will make money for the label. If a label doesn't believe there's a money opportunity, they're most likely going to advise the band not take it and refuse to support it. This isn't record labels just in Japan, it is record labels in every country.

That's not to say artists don't have a say, they have more of a say than people give them credit for. I've noticed it's a popular trend among SCANDAL fans to assume the girls don't have control over what they're doing. They have control and they decide what to do. Their record label may push them to do something but ultimately, it's their choice to do it in the end. Maybe it's just my great amount of faith in the girls, but I don't honestly think they'd do anything that they didn't want to.

SCANDAL's sound has changed, I think anyone can admit that. But that doesn't mean they're "manufactured". SCANDAL isn't the same girls they were when they started. They've matured as women and as musicians. Their taste in music has changed and they've wanted to try new things. Their versatile ways is something that has helped them greatly to achieve the amount of fans they have. SCANDAL could not stay as the indie schoolgirls forever, they never would have had a career if they did. They're a band that has songs that can appeal to nearly anyone. Trying new styles has helped the girls not just get fans but as musicians too. Not every artist can do the amount of genres SCANDAL has done and pull it off well like they have.

I don't think the girls have lost their love for their music nor will they ever. You can see the passion and love they have for it when they're on stage. When an artist is on stage, it's fairly easy to tell real happiness from faked happiness. And I don't think SCANDAL's happiness is fake. Besides, if they didn't care, I highly doubt they'd push themselves as hard as they are for their music.

Going further, if they were truly manufactured as people claim, Sony would never allow them to write their own songs. Not even the lyrics. But look at what they've been doing lately. They're writing the lyrics to more of their songs and have even begun composing them. That wouldn't be happening if they were simply Sony's puppets and didn't care about what they were doing.

A lot of fans (not just of SCANDAL but other bands) tend to throw around the words 'manufactured' and 'mainstream' quite often whenever they dislike something the band has done. Just because you disliked a band's "new stuff" doesn't make them manufactured or anything of the sort.

So in gist, yes, SCANDAL is slightly manufactured in the same way every single artist is slightly manufactured. But no, they are not becoming "too manufactured". They are not, however, manufactured in a way that makes them puppets to their record label. I believe they still care for their music and are doing what they want to do.

Give the girls a bit more credit.

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:44 am


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@James99. Please do refrain from double posting. If you want to add something to your previous post, just use the 'Edit' button. Happy 

I must say, this is a VERY interesting topic with much great insight and discussions. It's hard to say new things that haven't been said in this thread before, but I'll put in my 2 cents since the thread's been bumped. 

I do agree that SCANDAL do have some control over their actions as a band, but there is still some restrictions that have been placed as many have previously said. I guess musically speaking, Sony/EPIC are quite lenient on who writes/composes their songs; they do after all let them have some input. However, I do wonder on exactly how lenient they are. For example, most of the lyrics are written by them -- most of us know this. But most likely, some other composer/lyricist's name is often tagged after the girls' names in the credits. Now, I do think that they work like 'producers' and edit minor things (the band members often mentions they write their songs when they're alone at home etc...) but it seems like a majority have been edited one way or another whether voluntary or not. Now, this may be a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it, but personally, if I wrote any lyrics, I wouldn't really want some person who works for the record label to come along and just change some parts, especially if I really like something the way I originally set it out. I guess that yes, they could possibly approve positively of the editing and think that it would make their lyrics sound better, but I guess we'd never know on how this works. With the record label actually choosing who they collaborate with, I think this is especially true, particularly (Naoto from Orange Range and Yasutaka Nakata from Capsule). Collaborating with Yasutaka Nakata would've undoubtedly piqued an interest in many pop fans, especially those who listen to Kyrary Pamyu Pamyu and PERFUME. Not to mention, these artists have huge fanbases, especially in Japan. 

Now ladies and gentlemen, how you define 'manufactured' is entirely up to yourself. When we think of manufactured, we think of something that is made or crafted and musically speaking, a 'manufactured' band is recognised as having a specific sound in order to please their audience and the mass market. Let's just get that out of the way first. Ever since SCANDAL formed, I won't deny that there has been a sense of a 'manufactured' aura in a way for some; a music teacher just happened to ask them if they wanted to pick up instruments? The story is fishy, and I do admit that myself. In the NHK BS documentary, the members and more specifically Haruna said they were practically chosen after auditioning. The school was looking for girls who could play instruments and at the end, all that was left was Haruna, Mami and Tomomi. Rina joined later. This of course in no way at all, degrades the fact that they had a 'band' formation IMO. They did still have the choice on whether to form the band, and they actually did just with a little push from the school, and perhaps Sony back in the day. It seems like Caless has strong ties with Sony, after all. 

But still, just because of their formation, this does not make them 'manufactured' as some people think. These girls fought and started all the way from the bottom, no shortcuts, no easy way out. And when they did make their major debut, they did encounter backlash. Especially, from fans who dubbed them as a 'Fake-ZONE' (if you don't know who ZONE are, they were a bandol {band-idol} who were really really popular). They wrote about all this negativity and their frustrated feelings in SCANDAL BABY and at the end of the day, they just wanted to have fun and play music because they loved it, not because they were forced into it. And this still evidently hasn't changed even today. 

Being 'manufactured' is both a good and bad thing. Ups are, there's a lot of promotion going on that'll really boost the popularity of the band, e.g fashion, music programs, tv interviews, magazines, etc... that would have undoubtedly been impossible if they were still indie. Downs are, it's all for making money for the record label and just like how they want, SCANDAL is doing just that at the moment. But why people think 'manufactured' is some big bad word is something I can't figure out. 

These members are smart and talented, they will continue to find their own way with or without the 'manufactured' label. And by the way, to anyone who thinks that dancing is 'manufactured', obviously you do not understand the fact that the girls are choosing to dance because they (gee not surprisingly) LOVE to do it. It's part of their roots, as they all said, and they're a real band who happens to be able to dance rather than a dancing group who happens to be able to play instruments. I can't stress this enough. They're doing it because they want to, not because the record label is all controlling and manipulative. 

They still love to rock out (big surprise there to some fans who called them too 'manufactured', especially after PHS lol) but right now, their record company does want money; that's the whole point in signing artists on. And that's what's preventing them from letting their creativity and imagination flow completely IMO. Still, Haruna has shown much disapproval and questioning over this whole dilemma (shown in NHK BS documentary), saying how the band's direction has gone too mainstream and commercial (if you're curious, this was around Taiyou Scandalous's release) and that a part of her thinks that this is just for money, which she really hates. So whatever people think, these four amazing people are not puppets to be controlled; they can speak their mind, do what they would like (well sort-of, as everyone's mentioned), and write whatever they would like (again, within reason). 

Like what Airi-chan mentioned before me, we just need to have a little more faith in the band no matter how it might be a little challenging sometimes and be there to support them as respectful fans, not some idol worshippers who are overprotective and have a certain view of SCANDAL that must not and cannot be changed. And that's where the 'manufactured' label was born IMO. Some of the fans are calling them 'manufactured' simply because this is not the SCANDAL that they first fell in love with, or this isn't the uniform-clad band that did garage rock, or this isn't etc... while others are disagreeing with the 'manufactured' label simply because they know that change is inevitable in order to survive the harsh reality that is the music world. I'm one of those people that are open to change and embrace it, albeit honestly with some caution. So no, I don't think that SCANDAL are too manufactured; it's just our different perspectives and understanding of the word itself.


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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:58 pm


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Airi-chan wrote:Give the girls a bit more credit.
I think this is the most difficult thing in all this topic (at least for me), but I'm not talking only about scandal, I'm talking about every girl band in japan.
as much as some girls can try to get away for the "idol" image (which is a lot of a manufactured figure), they never can. I totally remember scandal saying they want to be seeing as a rock band during their latest asia tour, but how much someone with a western idea for what a rock band is can truly take serious an idea of band who doesn't compose their own stuff? (I'm talking about the idea of the typical rock band doing everything by themself about their own music, with just a bunch of staff members helping for mastering stuff) I think is hard to get along the idea of what a japanese female band is present in japan, it's not only a problem about scandal.
latetly, I found scandal's releases being more and more poppish in the a-sides while they keep the "good rock" for the b-sides, which is definitly an idea of the label for capture as many new fans and listener as they can for sell more.
Everyone knows that being a musican is a work and you can't live without money, but how much a group of people calling themself a band can accept this position? I could never. Seeing others male bands doing the true band jobs and you, for personal decisions or not, receivings others hard works. I will never be 100% satisfied with a scandal release, or any all female band on nowadays having a CD totally made by themself. maybe I should stop pretending and hoping for this, but even if I enjoy some of the latest songs they have the appeal of some random jpop song, which it's a shame. not for scandal, for the label, because they failed at manage a band taking them more as a pop group.
I remember tm revolution giving harsh comment to lovendor (reina tanaka's band, the ex morning musume member) because their label decided everything for them and how it wasn't what a band should be. well, i always hoped takanori would say something like this to scandal, not because they might have 0 chances to say their but because if they truly want to stop being called as an idol group or a manufactured product they should get rid of their own career.
but it just seems that they can't changed it at the moment of they are happy the way they are now.
which makes me even sadder, but it's ok until they are happy I suppose


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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:47 pm


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Wow. Thread necro much?

Anyway, re. wishing SCANDAL would act like a proper "band" and produce/write their own music. It would be nice if that was the case all the time but people seem to forget something very, very, important.

How they got started.

Like it or not, SCANDAL are not a grassroots band. They weren't even musicians to begin with. I don't have to repeat the story, everyone should know by now what happened in CALESS back then. They did not begin the way many bands did, they were never part of any underground scene or what have you, they never started out writing music. Do not forget that all four of them started out as dancers and singers and only by some serendipitous twist of fate did they become a band.

For people who aren't musicians, writing music isn't something that comes easily. This is something they gradually picked up, and now they are starting to really get into it and this is something great. I look forward to it. At least they are moving in the right direction. For me, part of the charm of following SCANDAL is watching the band evolve and grow from four schoolgirls who barely knew what they were doing to being the most influential all female band in Japan currently.

To me at least, when it comes to whether they were manufactured or not or if they only play "rock" music instead of their usual pop rock or not, it doesn't matter anymore. So long as they produce music that I enjoy and so long as they continue to kick ass live, I'm happy.

We should be more realistic with our expectations and yes, we should give them more credit. We are fans after all, if we don't back them, then who will? They worked so hard to be where they are now, it doesn't seem fair for them to be judged so harshly.

It is perfectly ok to not like everything the band does. However, one must be careful with expectations, it must be grounded in reality and must have the proper perspective. One also must be careful with criticism, to make sure that it doesn't become unreasonable.

It is also ok for people to fall out of love with them and go on to other things. It happens, no big deal.

Around here from what I observe, the most constant cause of disappointment is the expectation that the girls act or do things a certain way or play a certain genre of music. When they don't fulfill these expectations... There it is again, the key word "expectation". One could wish that they are more "creative", one could wish they played "rock" all the time, one could wish SCANDAL to be and do all kinds of things.

People can like the band what they are, or be constantly disappointed by the band for what they are not. They choice is clear.

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