Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:24 pm


porcupine_tree

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rreizend wrote:

i agree!! the rock power came back!

Yeah, the old girlie rock power is back! Peace Onion Thumbs Onion Time to celebrate .xmas.


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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:25 am


hamatori

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Yaaa! Go Girls Go! Dance

btt, my point of view for "manufactured" is:
- Management commercialized every member into a product.
They have done that in momoko and Yume Miru Tsubasa single.

Despite the *I might say* sly management policy, one thing we can see is the girls plays the music, not an unknown person behind the stage. So it's fair to say the company is looking for a profit from SCANDAL, but they are NOT manufactured *yet*. It's a deal. Furthermore girls are realy enthusiastic in music (and dance?), they still compose song behalf of their name.

And yet if we look at YUI (sorry didn't mean to compare) or other Girls Band in Japan, have they released a "My Daily Life" DVD? No...
And if they are gonna sell something like "Timo's Diary" DVD, then I will STOP loving SCANDAL, but instead buy her DVD. LOVE
jK (uh, i hope not) :lol:

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:23 pm


porcupine_tree

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hamatori wrote:Yaaa! Go Girls Go! Dance

btt, my point of view for "manufactured" is:
- Management commercialized every member into a product.
They have done that in momoko and Yume Miru Tsubasa single.

Despite the *I might say* sly management policy, one thing we can see is the girls plays the music, not an unknown person behind the stage. So it's fair to say the company is looking for a profit from SCANDAL, but they are NOT manufactured *yet*. It's a deal. Furthermore girls are realy enthusiastic in music (and dance?), they still compose song behalf of their name.

And yet if we look at YUI (sorry didn't mean to compare) or other Girls Band in Japan, have they released a "My Daily Life" DVD? No...
And if they are gonna sell something like "Timo's Diary" DVD, then I will STOP loving SCANDAL, but instead buy her DVD. LOVE
jK (uh, i hope not) :lol:

At least the girls are not some badly put together quartet with delusions of grandeur who have big dreams about fame and fortune and haven't a clue about how to play their respective instruments. I became attracted to SCANDAL and their music not only because they're beautiful but the fact that they can play their instruments, and learnt to play them well within a short amount of time (in terms of professionally playing music); that is why I love them and have become a fan and that's why I don't want them to deteriorate into just some flavour of the month. How they are being exploited in certain aspects of their career is troubling but I hope they rise above that to the occasion and prove that they are 100% real Chest Tap


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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:13 pm


hecate_aristocrat

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well, i love them for the very same reason,, and i think SCANDAL still has their distinguish from any other girl band ^^

and yes, i listened to shunkan sentimental, the short version, and it's guh-oooood~

being a new fan is quite interesting, instead of searching their new songs, i go back in time to find their old ones LOL~

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Sun Jan 17, 2010 4:58 am


SakuRedux

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I think the girls original fans, ie Pre-Sony, felt a little put off by the sudden change in the bands songs. Personally, I haven't noticed it, but then I only found out about them because of the BLEACH OP they had.
Some of the older fans (probably not the right words, please forgive me if I got them wrong) are perfectly sound in their criticisms of the songs on BEST★SCANDAL, but one blogger I found actually went as far as to pull them on changing the material of their CD cases from cardboard to plastic. I can't remember the blog, and I probably won't because I have since restored my PC (got a new hard drive), but that just seems like a really petty thing to bring up when you're talking about a band going commercialised.
I mean, it's one thing to pull them because their style changes and they have choreography as a rock band (for the record I thought the walking in a circle in the ShoujoS PV was a bit strange to put in, but I don't watch many J-Pop videos so it might be how it's done as far as I know), but to complain because the CD case for BEST★SCANDAL was plastic, instead of card like "YAH! YAH! YAH!", is pretty damn pathetic in my opinion.

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:08 am


porcupine_tree

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SakuRedux wrote:I think the girls original fans, ie Pre-Sony, felt a little put off by the sudden change in the bands songs. Personally, I haven't noticed it, but then I only found out about them because of the BLEACH OP they had.
Some of the older fans (probably not the right words, please forgive me if I got them wrong) are perfectly sound in their criticisms of the songs on BEST★SCANDAL, but one blogger I found actually went as far as to pull them on changing the material of their CD cases from cardboard to plastic. I can't remember the blog, and I probably won't because I have since restored my PC (got a new hard drive), but that just seems like a really petty thing to bring up when you're talking about a band going commercialised.
I mean, it's one thing to pull them because their style changes and they have choreography as a rock band (for the record I thought the walking in a circle in the ShoujoS PV was a bit strange to put in, but I don't watch many J-Pop videos so it might be how it's done as far as I know), but to complain because the CD case for BEST★SCANDAL was plastic, instead of card like "YAH! YAH! YAH!", is pretty damn pathetic in my opinion.

Saku-kun, I completely agree with that statement! While I am a tad unhappy that they are commercialised so soon after breaking into the mainstream market in Japan, I am even more happy that they have received the success and accolades that they so deserve through hard work and determination. And I must admit, I'm a little jealous of their success since they started when they were still in high school but then again, so have many bands in Japan who are as popular, or more so than SCANDAL, bands/artistes like Stereopony and YUI and many others. I'll be honest, I've been unfair in my assessment of how the girls reached this point of their success at times but they deserve where they are now; they didn't get talent-scouted and placed into a Morning Musume-esque pop group so thank heavens for that! HORA!
About the blogger who criticised the BEST★SCANDAL packaging, looks like he has far bigger issues than either you or me combined. Obviously he sounds like a guy who is probably so obsessed with SCANDAL that he would remake them in his own image if he wanted OMG he is definitely petty, why complain so much about how the CD is packaged when you should be listening to the music? That is how CDs are packaged by the way: wrapped in plastic packaging! Delusional tha blogger is UHUH!


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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:17 pm


konohagure

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porcupine_tree wrote:
Yup yup, it seems so! It's a very complex song and contains some diverse orchestral arrangements, our girls hadn't yet reached that level of musical diversity just yet at the time.

Is that so? ok.

I think delusions of grandeur is a bit overboard for SCANDAL. Although sometimes these things: fame, fortune, power, influence, will get into the heads of people. I think it won't for SCANDAL.

Anyways, like Koide said "The Most Powerful Girlie Pop Rock" is back and is going stronger!

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:25 pm


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@kono: I hope so for the sake of fans everywhere, and the girls. But recent news of a possible merger with Perfume (the electropop trio) is dampening the excitement right now so yeah.... a bit less excited now Dead Onion


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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:21 am


konohagure

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@porcu: I think they'll consult SCANDAL first, or not, for the possible merger or collaboration. Anyhow, it's okay as long as they don't get in SCANDAL's way.

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:05 pm


porcupine_tree

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On second thought, if SCANDAL X PERFUME becomes a reality I'll probably be fine with it I think.... let's just be supportive fans for now... I'm too tired to think about all this Confused Onion


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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:38 pm


Kesuki

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If their music is still good after the merger, i will still support them.

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:41 pm


Drakis07

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Well being a little more manufactured is the price to pay if u want to be more known and more important in the music industry. Making CD is not free, neither having publicity. How many of us would know about SCANDAL if they had stayed a little indie garage girl band in their little city.

Small indie music company don't have lot of money so they can get print very few CD like maybe 10 000 or 20 000. Imagine now that SCANDAL begin to be a little more popular and that like there have 50 000 fans who want to buy their CD. Their CD would be always sold out all the time. So Scandal just did a normal move searching for a bigger music company like Sony music who got lot more money so lot more print CD and with the name Sony music, well more Epic Record they got also more visibility and publicity. Who give more possibility like have one of your song as theme for a anime like Shunkan Sentimental for FMA.

But to put more money on a artist the music company must get something in return to get the balance that where the artist must accepted some change for the marketing appeal. That why SCANDAL has become more mainstream and a little more manufactured. But one thing that i remember that SCANDAL said in interview once is that they create their song to be played live on stage, so live performance oriented and that part is pretty much still a lot garage band root and less manufactured. They keep more their garage band root while they performing live.

Remember one thing playing music for fun in your garage with friends and playing music professionally to perform on stage and sell album are 2 big differents things. If SCANDAL had keep just their indie garage root and stayed in Osaka, sure their songs would like their first song like Doll or Space ranger and less manufactured, but they never would have been choose to do a song for Bleach or FMA and lot of us would never discovered them or knew about them to exist.

So yeah SCANDAL got a maybe more manufactured sound but it's a normal thing if u want to be a artist professional.

(Sorry for the long explanation)

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:14 pm


leon_heart

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hmmm....
but not all of their song use synth...
maybe they want to make some differences in their song...
all of band make that you know.....
so their fans can really enjoy their music very much... Peace Onion

but this is just my opinion...

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:28 pm


propglenn

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ALL bands evolve! Look at the Beatles. Their sound changed drastically from when they started to where they ended. It's part of being a creative human being. The little bit of synth sound in "Yumemiru" doesn't bother me at all as long as the feeling is still SCANDAL. I think the "produced" sound in "Shyunkan" sounds great! It's still SCANDAL but ramped up. When you look at The Best album you can get a look at their different styles." RINGRINGRING" has a 60s pop rhythm like older Beatlles stuff and "Maburoshi Nights" is a swing tune, "Start" is a ballad. Different but still SCANDAL.I'm actual;y listening to "Yumemiru" right now and I'm looking at this little guy Happy Happy It's making me laugh! Try it!

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Fri May 14, 2010 3:59 am


porcupine_tree

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Frankly I hate "Yumemiru Tsubasa" and Sony must have put them up to it because you won't hear being performed as much these days. The best songs are those written from the heart as creative expression and on the BEST SCANDAL cd it's their newer compositions that are better listens (except Maboroshi Night, the intro is too garish! LOL)


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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Fri May 14, 2010 7:52 am


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Well, that happens because SCANDAL was standing on the crossroads like the other had said.

One path leads to an insignificant or worse, stagnant career by staying indie. But their fans would love and their loyality remains high toward them because they stick on their garage roots, which their first fans love about them.

The other path, leads to a major boost career and popularity by signing with Sony. They will be very popular among the world, but the creativity they had will be shredded away from them. Replaced by the pop style rather than garage. Their fans would increasing very high, but their first fans would start questioning their loyalty.

For me, frankly, i dont really like yume miru tsubasa. Sorry, no offense, but the sound is completely different than space ranger which sounds more unique and cool. Apparently, Scandal had chosen the second path. But whatever that may become, I think that we, as Scandal fans, have to support them whicever path they take. Happy

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Fri May 14, 2010 9:56 am


SakuRedux

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To be fair, Yumemiru is one song. Even the B-Sides on that single, BEAUTeen!! and DAYDREAM, sound brilliant. You can't go saying a band has gone terrible and lost their way because of a single song, which they said they did because they wanted to try a different style.

Besides, look at Shunkan. If that's not the awesome rock SCANDAL we all love, what is?

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Fri May 14, 2010 12:36 pm


Vallerie

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True, BeauTEEN and Shunkan were great... In fact I really like BeauTEEN Onion Love Love

but I personally think that Shunkan and Space still has a different feel, isn't it? But doesn't matter for me, I will still love them and support them whatever they may become! Cheer Onion

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Sat May 15, 2010 7:24 am


asuna

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it's all part of signing for a major label

its a double edged sword really - sign up for them, u get more attention, a larger fanbase, better promotions, more CD sales (and money $$$), bigger stages etc

on the other hand, you have to be accountable to the big bosses = what they want, you have to give. its like that everywhere, even in the non-music industry. I'm sure the girls have some creative room, but there will always be the influence of the producer/music director.

would this be counted as "selling their souls"? Nope.

we'll have to face it - its their job. like everyone all over the world, they have a job to do. end of the day, they, like us, need to earn a living. otherwise, would you rather they remain an indie band, making great music, but not earning much, nor getting the exposure they deserve?

there are bands who go down this route, and I really respect them for that, but not every band will turn out to be successful. successful or not, its a harsh and difficult route to take.

And lets not flame Sony/Epic records - they have to be accountable to their shareholders too. And that means tailoring songs/singles so that they will sell. Its a tough world out there.

sorry for the long post, I have to admit I do prefer their older songs which were more unpolished and raw, but hey, its still SCANDAL, whichever way you see it. the music may have evolved, but the people making it are still the same ol'

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Fri May 21, 2010 1:57 pm


yuizone

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im my opinion , at least the basslist still do lyrics in many song .

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:45 am


nekomami

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but i still loved and enjoy their old songs, its more rock, more beat. like Hoshi No Furu yo Ni, Hitotsu Dake, Ring!Ring!Ring, SL Magic, Doll, and Kagerou.

and one question that bug me all the time : WHY they stop using can-ta in their PV since Namida no Regret PV? Can-ta is one of their trademarks isnt it? i never heard an explanation about it Hmmm

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:37 am


Kotsuki

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yah when you are not indie band sometimes you have little control over your sound =( It is true some of their songs dont sound like them but they cannot help it unfortunately

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:39 am


IceHism

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Sure they are becoming too manufactured.
Pretty much 90% of artists are manufactured except for the true indie bands

But even if they are becoming manufactured, what can you say to them when they lose income. This world is about money, money, and money.
Indie bands release their stuff for money, record companies release stuff for money, etc

Quality music is only an opinion, you could either like or dislike the new manufactured sound of any group/singer/band

No one forces you to like them but i think people like to move forward instead of going to the past
(Why scandal moved from garage rock to normal rock and why i think they won't FULLY go back to garage rock A single in that genre here and there is fine.)

And i think in this current time, there isn't really a golden age of economic boom, making money just way more important (Japan's economy has not increased in the last 10 years) except maybe in china but they are still developing.

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:52 am


lonedriger

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I think temptation box is a good direction for them, manufactured or not

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Re: SCANDAL Becoming too manufactured?
Posted on Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:06 am


BB

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to be honest, SCANDAL has established quite well over the 4 years. is true that there are songs which fans do not like, but every criticism comes, they are gladly to accept that and that's what they are getting more and more popular over the years.

to me, SCANDAL has still retained the rock/pop style over the years. is just that some of the times they will introduce a different style of play to see whether the fans like it or not. and by far, the reaction is 50-50, in my opinion.

i do believe that is Sony rushing them far too much already. they were like "man, these girls are super good, if we wanna earn more money, let's promote them" such things. that's why we can see them producing 4 singles, 1 album and 1 mini-album. if i were to say they were manufactured, then is still Sony's fault.

that's how entertainment industries work. once enter, all you have to do is to work, work, and more work. geez.


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