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Bands at 14 years
Posted Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:53 am

Don Dio

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Since Scandal is about to celebrate their 14th year together I was curious what a lot of other bands had done around their 14th year, so I did a little research...

For like-minded rock nerds, this is an interesting barometer of creativity and success.  So many classic, influential bands don't even make it to 14 years (ex. The Beatles, The Yardbirds, Sex Pistols, The Clash...); and so many others seem to fall apart around this point as you will see the 14th year did not present the best of a band's catalog, and in some respects the best albums were well-behind them.

The criteria of how I made this list is thus:

* A band had to last at least 14 years. 

* Included bands that had a long history and recording career.  This means bands with large gaps in-between albums were omitted (ex. Living Colour, The Buzzcocks, Boston, Gamma Ray, etc.).  Many times this includes bands that disbanded and then got back together to record a lot more (ex. Dokken, Doobie Brothers, etc.).

* I made only two exceptions to the rule above and it was because they are one of my favorite bands, and they are so big that if I left them out I was sure to receive a comment about forgetting to include them.  One of these bands did release an original album on the 14th year which is why I included them.  

* Solo artists were omitted.  This includes bands that are associated to an artist we think of as a solo artist (ex. The E Street Band, The Delaware Destroyers, The Attractions, The Impostors, The Silver Bullet Band, Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, Crazy Horse, etc.).  The reason-being is traditionally the lead name is the only creative force in the band (although a strong case can be made for Mike Campbell in The Heartbreakers).

* Duet groups were also omitted (ex. Hall & Oates, Simon & Garfunkel, Ashford & Simpson, etc.).

* Name of album released on the 14th year since the band officially established itself (not the same as when they released their first recording).

* If nothing original was released on 14th year, I defaulted to the 15th so we could see where a band was headed.  If nothing on 15, I defaulted back to 13.  

* Compilation albums of pre-released songs and live recordings didn't count.  This is also a reason why the 12th or 15th year had to be used (I wanted to show creativity of original recordings).  So no greatest hits were included.

* Lastly, I have to like the band to have even thought to have included them.  This essentially means what we tend to call "Western" bands.  I'm sure there are a lot of great Asian bands that lasted 14 years, I just don't listen to them to know who they are.

One last note, I marked with an asterisk any record that is a personal favorite.

I know this relatively self-serving, and is probably a forum topic that won't get much traffic or comments, but I am interested if this list starts any kind of debate on what we could expect from Scandal.  Some of the bands in here where absolutely killing it at 14 (ex. U2, ZZ Top, PiL, Pink Floyd, Rush, Scorpions, XTC... you can make your own decisions).  Enjoy.

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Re: Bands at 14 years
Posted Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:43 am

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Have a couple more here too, though a few of the "Western" bands only loosely fit your criteria cos they did go on hiatus for a couple of years. Also adding two of Taiwan's most successful bands for some Asian representation  [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]  


More bands!:

With regards to Scandal... even though the band and fans have insisted they were never an idol band, the fact still remains they didn't have (or were not confident to take?) full creative control of their own work for the first five years of their career (2008-2013). So I might argue that though their career as an artiste is ~14 years old, their career as a full-fledged band only really started from Hello World (2014) and is thus ~6 years old.

The band has repeatedly said that their creative juices started to flow better with the setting up of the "her" label (and imho KFTD is a step in the right direction), so hopefully that means the trajectory of their band career will only go upwards from here. Unfortunately this also comes with the loss of Sony's marketing support, so I hope the band doesn't get discouraged in the future if/when their popularity doesn't increase as fast as their music improves.  [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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Re: Bands at 14 years
Posted Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:33 am

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Aready name a couple of my fave Iron Maiden and Pink Floyd. 

Porcupine Tree a rock band has being around for over 20 years, Collapse the light into Earth is one of most haunting and beautiful song done by a rock band I know.

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Re: Bands at 14 years
Posted Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:30 am

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Well the Rolling Stones definitely qualify Happy



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Re: Bands at 14 years
Posted Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:14 pm

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And, I see a lot old school thrash metal, but only US bands.
I can add famous bands Annihilator, Destruction, Sodom, Kreator, Sepultura, non US. They are still play
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Re: Bands at 14 years
Posted Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:27 pm

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On the 15th year they release "Resistance" , the 14th year were preparations

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Re: Bands at 14 years
Posted Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:26 pm

Don Dio

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Steadystate wrote:
With regards to Scandal... even though the band and fans have insisted they were never an idol band, the fact still remains they didn't have (or were not confident to take?) full creative control of their own work for the first five years of their career (2008-2013). So I might argue that though their career as an artiste is ~14 years old, their career as a full-fledged band only really started from Hello World (2014) and is thus ~6 years old.

The band has repeatedly said that their creative juices started to flow better with the setting up of the "her" label (and imho KFTD is a step in the right direction), so hopefully that means the trajectory of their band career will only go upwards from here. Unfortunately this also comes with the loss of Sony's marketing support, so I hope the band doesn't get discouraged in the future if/when their popularity doesn't increase as fast as their music improves.  [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I see your point, but staring off a career with outside contributors doesn't shift much for me.

With the exception of Smoky Robinson & The Miracles and Stevie Wonder, virtually none of the classic Motown singing groups and artists wrote their own material.  Elvis Presley never wrote a song and no critic ever bashed him for that or used it as a means to minimize his talent and creative impact on other artists.  Same goes with those Motown groups and likewise many of the artists that came out of Stax and PIR.  So many of them are in the R&R Hall of Fame. 

Jeff Beck, Rod Stewart and Carlos Santana have written so few of their own band's song (btw, The Faces and JB Group didn't qualify in my criteria to make my list, but I love them both).  Additionally, so many successful bands that did initially write their own material eventually had outside writers provide songs, and many cases these outside songs became huge hits (KISS, Bon Jovi, Aerosmith...); and others relied on covering songs to fill out albums or have hits themselves (The Byrds, The Rascals, Blood, Sweat & Tears...).  All of these artists extended their careers by interpreting the work of others and making it their own.  

Where I think your 6 year mark is pertinent is that bands that produce original material tend to get stale 5-7 years (or albums) into their recording career.  Nothing proves this more than if you ever go see a classic artist (of any genre) perform, the bulk of their set list seems to come from a few records that all came out at about the same time.  Of course there are exceptions to this (The Stones, Paul McCartney, Queen, U2, etc.), and yes, I know, many fans only want to hear the hits live, but those hits seem to exist within a set timeframe in a group's overall career.  It's as if the creative juices for creating hits seem to be of a limited timeframe.  

I think Scandal is in a good position for remaining creative going forwards the next few years, but not because they only started writing 6 years ago.  All four of their members can write music and lyrics (and this is rare with most groups), and they do have one solid writing team in their ranks (Mami/Rina).  I project at some point this dynamic may shift and we can see another pairing emerge, like Mami/Tomomi or Haruna/Mami, and the music will become fresh once again (and hopefully prolific).  Plus, let's not forget they still rely on outside arrangers.  They may be open to accepting outside writing again somewhere down the line.

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Re: Bands at 14 years
Posted Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:23 am

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Bands that lasted more than 14 years I considered influential are U2, Rolling Stones, Black Sabbath, Casiopea, L'arc~en~Ciel, Stereophonics, New Order, and Depeche Mode.



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Re: Bands at 14 years
Posted Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:14 am

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@Don Dio
Thank you so much for sharing, that's immense knowledge you have there.
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Don Dio wrote:All four of their members can write music and lyrics (and this is rare with most groups), and they do have one solid writing team in their ranks (Mami/Rina).  I project at some point this dynamic may shift and we can see another pairing emerge, like Mami/Tomomi or Haruna/Mami, and the music will become fresh once again (and hopefully prolific).  Plus, let's not forget they still rely on outside arrangers
Completely agree with this. I believe the Dobondobondo and Almond Crush pairings came about because of what music the pairs liked at the time (in the earlier years when asked about artistes they like, Haru/Rina would always cite pop bands like Jonas Brothers, Taylor Swift, kpop bands etc while Timo/Mami would cite RHCP etc). But as you pointed out, they've since switched pairings to Rina/Mami, with Haru and Timo doing their own things on the side.

I do hope over time they'll all write songs together because they clearly have different strengths to contribute. Rina writes powerful poetic lyrics, but the songs for which she writes music too don't always hit the spot. Mami writes great guitar riffs but the choruses in KFTD are sometimes missing good hooks. Haru and Timo both put out only one song each in KFTD, but I find both these songs two of the more "well pieced together" tracks on the album, hope they both can undertake more of the songwriting duties in future too.

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Re: Bands at 14 years
Posted Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:33 pm

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I'm pretty interested in this. I'm reminded of "Your Wildest Dreams" which seemed to come out of nowhere, from a band I'd stopped listening to.
I've got my money on Tomomi. I think she's the band's secret weapon, and she's going to come up with something really brilliant, but only if it becomes necessary.
I also think the key to the future for the band is in the Fender Acoustasonic. Songs can be written and played that start out on acoustic, and build to blazing electric, without changing out guitars. So, songs like 'White Rabbit" or the go-to example, "Stairway to Heaven", where you build in intensity, where you go from tender to tough, from girly to manly or whatever. From caress to punch. You get the picture. I can envision the four starting a live song, all playing Acoustasonics. Rina would sing first, then peel off to man the drums, Then Tomomi would sing before bailing out for her bass. Before you know it, the song goes from delicate and touching to full and mighty. That would be cool.



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Re: Bands at 14 years
Posted Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:10 pm

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One thing I forgot to add in my last comment regarding songwriting is that Scandal has been writing their lyrics, or most of which, since the beginning.  Tomomi used to be the most prolific, but she waned off by the time HELLO WORLD came around, which is odd since that's when they started contributing more to composing their own songs.  She must have had a creative brain drain and lyrics stopped coming so easily to her (I've experienced this myself-- it's much hard writing an original lyric now than it was when I started 40 years ago, but new music ideas keep coming).

I have been listening to a lot of my Jackson 5 records recently and it occurred to me last night that the band is somewhat similar to Scandal in that they were so young when they started (and new on their instruments), although very young by comparison.  Jackie was the oldest member at 14, and Rina was 15 when Scandal formed.

The Jacksons didn't record their own songs until their 11th album in 1976 (coincidentally called "The Jacksons"), which was 11 years since their formation.  Michael wrote one song, and he and Tito paired off on another.  They again only wrote two songs on their next album, "Going Places," but they wrote all but one for their next and 13th album "Destiny."  This was 13 years after their formation.  The "Triumph" album from 1980, which is in my list, was their 15th year and they wrote all the songs-- and then they somewhat broke up.

It probably goes without saying that Michael was the primary creative force when they started writing, but the others did as well (a lot of their songs are credited to the whole group).  When Michael finally broke away and recorded his smash "Off The Wall" in 1979 (which many people forget was his third solo record), he only wrote three songs!  Two years later he wrote only four tunes for "Thriller."  He started to write the bulk of his remaining albums, but they were released in spans of 5, 4, 4 and 6 years from each other.  I realize tours, publicity events and other of life's occurrences get in the way of releasing original content more regularly, but this looks like a common pattern when I put it up against other well-established acts.  I'd hate to have to wait 4-6 years in-between Scandal records.

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Re: Bands at 14 years
Posted Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:19 pm

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Don Dio wrote:One thing I forgot to add in my last comment regarding songwriting is that Scandal has been writing their lyrics, or most of which, since the beginning.  Tomomi used to be the most prolific, but she waned off by the time HELLO WORLD came around, which is odd since that's when they started contributing more to composing their own songs.  She must have had a creative brain drain and lyrics stopped coming so easily to her (I've experienced this myself-- it's much hard writing an original lyric now than it was when I started 40 years ago, but new music ideas keep coming).
To add to this, wasn't that also the time Tomomi was in her depressive slump? That's why she hasn't been really writing lyrics as much. Life is a Journey, I believe, was written during or just after her slump. 
Whats more odd is Haruna, since Hello World she hasn't written ANYTHING lyrically or musically, at least not til recently with NEON TOKYO ESCAPE. I think she might've a brain drain and didn't really write anything. But I think she addressed it somehow during an interview, I believe it was around 2016-2017. 

I think a band after 14 years is bound to have members who started off contributing in to songs to not really writing much or anything at all. At least with Scandal, they still do have 2 creative writing members who constantly have songs to share, so we don't have to wait 3-6 years for a new record.

I feel like "her" is a start of a new chapter for them, a new "debut" era, if you will. So it's gonna be another rocky start for them all over again. But eventually Scandal is gonna Thrive and sky rocket once again, with having more songs by Tomomi being released and Haruna starting to write again(hopefully), I'm very excited to see what Scandal got in store. Happy

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